The Consequence and Sad Truth of Hate (Where is Jenna When You Need Her?)

Dream of Better Lives, The Kind That Never Hate...
[TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT ABSOLUTE WRITE: in this post and others, we are not talking about the non-predatory aspects of a group board like AW, we are discussing an end to the predatory aspects. It is like we're talking about Philly or Oakland in the context of ending rampant corruption and crime. We know there are good places to eat and Streisand will concert tour, but we want the mayor and city council arrested. And because there are those who have expressed puzzlement, here is a page that lists all the reasons why we maintain this blog. Thank you.]

Table of Contents 
  1. From Text and Comments--Sane or Otherwise
  2. An AW Supporter Named "Dor" Makes The Right Call
  3. The "Guest" Slaps You On The Billboard
  4. The Pecking Hate or The AW Bully Egg? 
  5. One Troll Fact or Theory?
  6. Writer Beware Debate on Facebook
  7. iPredators on Internet - Donning the Mask (plus Viable Paradise Update)
 Excerpts from text and comments - sane or otherwise 
It's been pointed out many times. Google ranks AW highly so if you are a victim of their abuse, you will be seen quite easily by friends, employers, relatives, creditors, and everyone else. And whether you became the victim yesterday or six years ago, each time someone searches for you, there you are being roasted alive, chided, mocked and humiliated all over again.
This is kinda what it's like to suddenly discover you have been tied to a truck and pulled through mud and glass by the Absolute Write bully mob. You can't stop them. You can't use reason or proof. They just keep on gathering and pointing at you and yelling like mean school yard children picking on the new kid or the sick kid.
If you spend some time looking over Absolute Write, you'll find a pattern of public smears targeted at organizations and independent presses and self-publishing outfits that are not on Absolute Write's favored list.
Everyone, pro-AW or anti-AW, remember that there were NO HATE SITES when Jenna owned Absolute Write. 
Thank God for the good Doctor Christopher putting himself out there to tell the truth about my dear Lisa and Macallister! Victoria is right. You are just haters, haters and smear campaigners. You are a troll rightfully banned from using your 30 identities on Absolute Write. Lisa has proved who you are with forensic analysis. 
All those who criticize Absolute Write in any manner on Internet are "trolls." All those who publish the real name of AW's owner and her horse farm business address are "stalkers." All those on AW who resist or argue the smear of anyone or anything are "socks." The infantile strategy of AW is to just slap a label of deflection and all is resolved.
Absolute Write, in the hands of Lisa Spangenberg and her associates, is in effect a judge-jury-prosecutor platform... All it takes is for one question to be asked, or one axe grinder to make an appearance, and the predators smell blood. A swarm of anonymous fairies and fops with ridiculous icons appear and begin fomenting themselves into leaps of logic, unfounded assumptions, and distortions of reality.


An AW Supporter Named "Dor" Makes The Right Call


An AW supporter named "Dor" on the Writer Beware blog ("Haters Gonna Hate"), towards the end of the exchange between supporters of Absolute Write and critics, dismissed critics of AW as people harboring a grudge. Point at hand, the whole theme of Victoria's post is about haters hating, as if they hate for no reason? Or it's just the guilty in the Dante's Inferno of the Internet, hating and hating without every recognizing their guilt. Of course, this tact by Victoria and her associates is yet another way of avoiding the substantive commentary concerning cyberbullying and press smearing on AW forums and refocusing instead on attacking the messengers who bring the news, and who must live with it every day; however, the sad truth is, this anonymous Dor of Absolute Write is more correct than not.

Let's look at this "circumstance of hate and grudge" through the eyes of victims of AW, people we know, and who have posted at WAR and elsewhere. On one of our posts regarding cyberbullying, a person commented:

"People outside this mess just don't understand what the real victims of this website are talking about. It's like driving down the highway to work one morning and seeing that someone has overnight built a billboard on the highway with your face and name, and beside it are images of a bunch of other people you've never seen and don't know calling you a loser and a fraud and a crook and an idiot and whatever other insult they can think of. You can't get the billboard taken down because a new law prevents anyone from having to take responsibility for it even if they know the whole thing is a lie, and you can't sue the people on it because you've found out they are all fake, and every day you have to answer for these insults and hope that sane people will see this kangaroo trial by billboard for what it is and also hope you will not be fired from your job as a result.

This is kinda what it's like to suddenly discover you have been tied to a truck and pulled through mud and glass by the Absolute Write bully mob. You can't stop them. You can't use reason or proof. They just keep on gathering and pointing at you and yelling like mean school yard children picking on the new kid or the sick kid."

(btw, Marla Miller had her reputation threatened by the AW-to-Google billboard connection--just one example, the number of these can't be counted)

Now, if you have the time, read over this post ("Is Criticism Possible Without Resorting to Bullying?") and imagine you are Mary Duke, the woman pursued and brought to earth by a snarky, hostile pack of members and mods engaged in loutish behavior as regards her press. And one more thing. Here is a post by our friend Lesley Cameron during her debate with the elite of Absolute Write on Writer Beware:

"Now that I reflect upon it, the websites critical of you two, and the AW in general, are in some sense, hate sites. I've never in my life seen or heard so much utter loathing for any other two people, or any other website. In retrospect, no one hated Jenna. She worked hard to out the bad fellows, but no one hated her. She was respected. She was reasonable and a nice person who didn't like to bully. Whereas you are hated. Hated. Is it because you are hostile bullies with a sense of ridiculous entitlement? Or because you are just doing your jobs and the haters are really just one ex-member who you justifiably gave the boot to?"


The "Guest" Slaps You On The Billboard


There you are, on that billboard on the highway, and you are helpless. btw, here is a slice of the billboard as follows. From time to time on the Beware section of AW, you will see one of these. What is it? A mysterious guest appearance with no link to a profile and no post count. These "guest" appearances, mostly on press smear threads, are always very negative toward the subject at hand. We know that such posts can only be made by the
owner-operators of the Absolute Write forum. In other words, this person is pretending to
Appears for a trashing then poof!
be a valid critic of the press when in fact this is not the case. See in the example above, the "guest" reviles Curiosity Quills and claims the editor stalked her online. Now, isn't that a recurring theme of accusation? Of course, the allegation is nonsense. The "guest" appears later in response to positive posters in a last ditch attempt to contradict them with more allegations and sour grape rhetoric (that sounds suspiciously like Lisa Spangenberg). Also, not a single one of the mods or owners or regulars takes the "guest" to task for her stalking allegations against a named editor at CQ (there she is, on the billboard). No one asks for evidence or challenges her or asks her to tone down the rhetoric. Why is that? Anyone can see that negativity is God on Absolute Write, especially in the Beware forum, but it appears odd all the same. It's as if the regulars have learned just when its smart to keep quiet.


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Jenna Glatzer - Professional Writer and Good Person
Yes, if only Jenna Glatzer could return... (btw, good article on Jenna's transition out of AW, by Ted Gross--who foresaw problems) but back to the subject at hand. If you are Mary Duke, or the CQ editor, or Marla Miller, or that poor pariah who posted about the billboard, or any one of scores and scores of people decapitated in public by Absolute Write in the past--human nature being what it is-- would you be more, or less likely, to loathe Absolute Write? Let's be truthful. Most of us are not Mother Teresa. We would most likely loathe Absolute Write, or at least, the people who we feel unfairly attacked our lives and reputations for all the world to see on a daily basis (like the supporters of this blog). And make no mistake. It's been pointed out many times. Google ranks AW highly so if you are a victim of their abuse, you will be seen quite easily by friends, employers, relatives, creditors, and everyone else. And whether you became the victim yesterday or six years ago, each time someone searches for you, there you are being roasted alive, chided, mocked and humiliated all over again.

Kinda like living in hell, isn't it? 

And if you haven't already, please see the reasons why we maintain this blog.

The Pecking Hate or The AW Bully Egg?


It was pointed out by Lesley on Writer Beware (above), that Absolute Write was able to function effectively under the supervision of Jenna (who has wisely disassociated herself from Absolute Write in her bio) and expose the bad guys without sheltering teams of bullies and abusive moderators.
Everyone, pro-AW or anti-AW, remember that there were NO HATE SITES when Jenna owned Absolute Write.
If Jenna were still in charge, you wouldn't be reading this.

So what came first, the pecking hate or the AW bully egg? Victoria Strauss, Melodi Sherman, Lisa Spangenberg, and others who support the current regime, allege the hate starts with the critics of AW. They are just trolls out to smear. It's that simple for them. But the hate starts with AW. The smoke starts with the fires on those forums. If you harbor bitterness for others and set a standard of hostility and snark, you cannot expect your examples of hatred to be returned with love.

You will create enemies with grudges. It's a matter of human chemistry.




The One Troll Fact or Theory? Can Someone Get the Story Straight?


Actually, the elite of Absolute Write state it as if it were a fact. This is limelighted on Victoria's Writer Beware post. A score or more of critical websites... all one single troll. Victoria even depicts herself bravely battling said troll with screenshots. "Note the ire of the troll" she says. Well, um, what troll? Someone disagrees with Victoria and they become THE UBIQUITOUS TROLL WHO DOES IT ALL. AW is pushing this explanation all over the Internet. If you believe this laughable nonsense, we encourage you to open the neural pores and say Huh? It's all so disturbingly Salem witch trial. Point your finger and yell TROLL!

Nevertheless, an authentic battle between good and evil is being waged at Writer Beware. This might sound a little extreme, we know, but if you link above and patiently read the script from top to bottom beginning with Victoria's accusations against WAR and all other websites critical of Absolute Write, you will soon see the battle joined and the sides polarized to irreconcilable differences. AW is Victoria's principal means of long-term marketing for her books. The more threads she posts comments in (especially the conflict threads), the more chance potential readers might click to buy her books that are advertised prominently in her signature block. Anything that threatens that process, or the credibility of AW in general, threatens her career and especially her standing as a crusader for writers--a profile she has carefully crafted over many years.

So what is left but to deny and counter-accuse? All those who criticize Absolute Write in any manner on Internet are "trolls." All those who publish the real name of AW's owner and her horse farm business address are "stalkers." All those on AW who resist or argue the smear of anyone or anything are "socks." The infantile strategy is to just slap a label of deflection and all is resolved. Apparently, they also believe they can get WAR and other blogs dismissed, or perhaps deleted if they tell the ridiculous stalking lie enough times.
Victoria unmasked me.
I need a new plan! Heh, heh.

If you are a reasonable person with a nose for BS, and you carefully read the responses of Victoria, Melodi Sherman (the owner of AW), and Lisa Spangenberg (the admin of AW) to questions put to them by posters, especially our new associate and friend, Lesley Cameron, you will soon see who is evading the truth and who is carrying it forward with a flag. Nearly every question asked is avoided in one way or another except for a very few. Even a working definition of cyberbullying is dodged. What does this tell you?  btw, Victoria and Melodi recognize the right of Melodi to have remained anonymous behind the disguise of Macallister Stone (for fear of retaliation), but they find fault with the right of critics of Absolute Write to remain anonymous. Given AW's track record of life wrecking, how can anyone question this right?

And this is for Lesley: Viva La Resistance! We love you.

Together we will work to end the cyberbullying of people on AW, not to mention the obsessive smearing of new presses. We will expose the bullies for who they are and call them out on their lies and hostility.


 The Writer Beware Debate on Facebook 

And now this:


Sample above of a longer exchange between author Lin Robinson and Victoria Strauss on the Facebook page for Writer Beware. Victoria has taken the fight online to Facebook also. It's funny, but here we have her using troll in the plural, as if she forgot her own one troll theory. But Lin doesn't pull punches on the negatives regarding AW. He does admit it can be handy for protecting writers from predators, and we agree; however, the Dirt Factory gets out of control on the Beware forum, as we've demonstrated on this blog with examples. A word of warning: the opinions and slapdash conclusions of anonymous vapors and kitties cannot be accepted as facts. Double check everything you read there.

However, not sure what Victoria is raving about. We know of no one getting worked up over Melodi being Macallister Stone. There are no conspiracy theories. The owner IS Melodi Sherman (confirmed by her old WA business license). This is a phony issue. That Titanic sailed months before this post in late August. On top of it, she has the incredible gall to insinuate that charges of bullying are less than valid (all a part of the AW propaganda concerning "one troll theory"). She is such a posturing Tariq to the max! This is why we made this comparison, precisely! If she were politically smart, she would at least admit that instances of this or that might be viewed as bullying, but no, she won't give a millimeter. We're all just smearing to smear, and it's all a lie and Victoria is the angel of truth. OMG! Does this woman needs therapy to recover from her Tariq Aziz Complex?

And now this:


What you see above is a continuation of the Facebook WB thread we highlighted above with Lin and Victoria Strauss. The portion above highlights some worthwhile themes. 

Theme: Victoria's post (WB) states "they decry bullying and harassment" etc. Let's examine this. When she was asked by Lesley on the Writer Beware post to define
I am the super troll!
cyberbullying, she dodged. Apparently, she wished the definition to remain as open ended as possible in order to allow her to make false claims like the one above. Quite suddenly, an act of criticizing her or any of her business associates, in particular Melodi Sherman or Lisa Spangenberg, is now defined as bullying. All those who criticize AW are now not only trolls, but bullying trolls. Using her logic, it all follows. We maintain it's all just one of several lies they are generating to counter critics, but if you wish, you can pretend it's just twisted logic and they actually believe what they are saying. As for the "harassment" charge, we can only speculate that this refers to outing the business address of Melodi Sherman's horse boarding venture (the unlicensed one in WA state on Ebey Island). Other than that, it's anyone's guess since she remains vague when making such charges and never includes links, even when asked to--again, see the WB post above. Each time she was asked to provide a link to substantiate a charge, she dodged. See for yourself.

Theme: Next, you have the big Melodi "Mac Stone" Sherman herself stepping in to let us know just how hard her job is. Certainly, the hearts of her scores of victims are breaking right now. It is hard, we're sure, not only for the reasons she states, but because she inserts herself onto a board for fiction writers and poets with no background whatsoever to do the job. It's like a someone who can't boil an egg buying a famous restaurant and interfering with the menu and recipes, followed by hiring short order cooks to be gourmet chefs. As a consequence, the food is awful, but any customer or food critic who tells the truth is decried as a bullying troll.

Regardless, a community is even harder to handle when you allow rampant cyberbullying and foster a culture of negativity and hostility (both pointed out by Paula and Lin on the Facebook thread--as well as on this blog and a score of other websites).

To Melodi Sherman: simply stating your business challenges will not relieve you of responsibility for what you are doing, and what you have done. You have set the tone with your Mac Stone badass slap downs. The phony sock puppet charges. The overall hatred you show for real writers and presses has become a dark pollution that has infected the AW forums. The difference in culture between you and Jenna is literally black vs. white. Stop the whining about how hard it is to run a writer community. No one wants to hear it. Just leave. Sell AW to someone like Jenna who was not only a real writer but a just and lovely person. 
Theme: a supporter steps in to buoy the gang. Is there a conflict of interest here? Gini Koch actively markets her book on AW via her signature block and avatar whenever she posts, like many of the members do. She says she "probably" owes her writing career, etc. Why passive though with "probably"? Because she is groping for something positive to say? She owes her success to many things including lots of prior publications. And everyone is happy she found a critique partner. Then she shows true form by classifying critics of AW as those "who can't handle the truth." And btw, this is also a theme. Who can't handle the truth of what? The truth that the Mac Stone gladiatorial games are really exercises in fair forum dynamics? The truth that were all one troll? That we're all sock puppets, or one sock?

Not to associate Koch with these people because we have no direct knowledge of her engaging in any bully fests, but we've seen that popular conflict threads are rapidly populated by a club of AW member writers who heavily push their biographies and e-books in their signature blocks. They form a piranha pool on behalf of a mod or administrator like Lisa who are engaged in annihilating someone or something. They can't lose because by doing so they get to demonstrate their ability to butt polish, promote themselves and their stock cover books, plus get the chance to show the public just how ethical and outraged they can be. They stumble over themselves for a chance to wound and bite the victim du jour. Rarely if ever does one of them counterpoint an allegation or hasty conclusion, no matter how idiotic or vicious.



Epilogue


We stopped by the Facebook thread for Writer Beware (btw, the poster for Writer Beware is Victoria Strauss operating under a pseudo) to see if she had responded to Paula Jovanovic, and we found this:



Same old pattern with AW owners, mods, and Victoria. Sidestep the issue and taint the messenger. You see this on Fox News all the time. You see it with White House spokespeople. You see it with the apologists of corrupt regimes. You see it all the time. And btw, if Paula were supportive of Victoria and denied the presence of hostility and bullying on AW, Victoria would never have questioned her creation of a new FB account in order to comment.

Isn't human nature a wonderful instrument?

iPredators on Internet - Donning The Mask


iPredator definition as follows. Decide for yourself if this applies to the bullies at AW:

"A person, group, or nation who, directly or indirectly, engages in exploitation, victimization, coercion, stalking, theft, or disparagement of others using Information and Communications Technology (ICT).

iPredators are driven by deviant fantasies, desires for power and control, retribution, religious fanaticism, political reprisal, psychiatric illness, perceptual distortions, peer acceptance or personal and financial gain.

iPredators can be any age or gender and are not bound by economic status, race, religion, or national heritage.

Whether the offender is a cyberbully, cyberstalker, cyber harasser, cybercriminal, online sexual predator, cyber terrorist, and internet troll or engaged in cyber deception, they fall within the scope of iPredator.

And here is a categorization of adult cyberbullies from the Adult Bullying website:

There are several different types of adult bullies (or iPredators), and it helps to know how they operate: 
  1. Narcissistic Adult Bully: This type of adult bully is self-centered and does not share empathy with others. Additionally, there is little anxiety about consequences. He or she seems to feel good about him or herself, but in reality has a brittle narcissism that requires putting others down.
     
  2. Impulsive Adult Bully: Adult bullies in this category are more spontaneous and plan their bullying out less. Even if consequences are likely, this adult bully has a hard time restraining his or her behavior. In some cases, this type of bullying may be unintentional, resulting in periods of stress, or when the bully is actually upset or concerned about something unconnected with the victim.
     
  3. Physical Bully: While adult bullying rarely turns to physical confrontation, there are, nonetheless, bullies that use physicality. In some cases, the adult bully may not actually physically harm the victim, but may use the threat of harm, or physical domination through looming. Additionally, a physical bully may damage or steal a victim's property, rather than physically confronting the victim.
     
  4. Verbal Adult Bully: Words can be quite damaging. Adult bullies who use this type of tactic may start rumors about the victim, or use sarcastic or demeaning language to dominate or humiliate another person. This subtle type of bullying also has the advantage - to the bully - of being difficult to document. However, the emotional and psychological impacts of verbal bullying can be felt quite keenly and can result in reduced job performance and even depression.
     
  5. Secondary Adult Bully: This is someone who does not initiate the bullying, but joins in so that he or she does not actually become a victim down the road. Secondary bullies may feel bad about what they are doing, but are more concerned about protecting themselves.
In our case here at W.A.R., Teresa Nielsen Hayden, for example, fulfilled the conditions of adult bully type 1, 3, and 4, while she was surrounded and buoyed by bully type 5.

And speaking of Teresa, here she is, third from left, happily leading her ridiculously expensive workshop at Viable Paradise this past October (2014) with her husband Patrick on right. It looks like fun. It is, especially for those who attend and who don't bemoan the loss of so much money. What could be more instructive than fiction writer instruction from people like Teresa and Patrick who are not fiction writers; and it's said if you meet Teresa in person, pay her money at her workshop she runs with Uncle Jim, that she can be nice. No surprise. If only her Hapisofi personality at Absolute Write could be so happy and carefree. It really looks like Hapisofi, Patrick, Uncle Jim, Mac and Hack, and whoever else, can be just as lovely and congenial as any ordinary American human being. 

So why do they become iPredators as defined above when they don their anonymous identities and fairy persona on Absolute Write? Why does the dark side manifest itself there? Why do they say nasty things about people, make false statements, and behave as if entitled to do so? Who knows what darkness lurks in the souls of Absolute Write members and moderators once they've donned the mask? 

Does even The Shadow know?


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I guess it just shows that the distance of the Internet will even bring out the worst in people who might be considered fairly cultured in real life.
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28 comments:

  1. According to Strauss and Stone, WAR and other blogs forums that critique Absolute Write behavior are just haters. They are on a hate campaign to smear because the examples of bullying they use are more than six months old.

    If less than six months, they would not be haters.

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    1. Stupid, just stupid. I'm not posting another word.

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    2. Right, don't bother. She won't answer a single question put to her, and that's no surprise at all.

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    3. You are not fit to lick her feet. She is a better woman than all of you. She is an Oprah in her world. She is a goddess to me and many other women, so go criticize someone else you ugly little insects.

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    4. This what whoever said on the Viable Paradise thread. We're not fit to lick the feet of Melodi Sherman or the plumps of Teresa. Where is all this fanatical foot licking coming from? These people must have come here in a time machine from the Oracle at Delphi or whatever.

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  2. The billboard analogy captured to a T, the plight of authors who have been maligned on the Internet by Melodi ‘Mac Stone’ Sherman, and her live in partner, Liza Spangenberg. The spotlight of hate launched by these individuals, has cast a wide and wicked shadow over countless victims who have no way of defending themselves.

    Last week, Victoria Strauss of Writer Beware, herself a longtime member and one time moderator at AW, aligned herself (predictably) with the maligners. This shoots to blazes all the false claims by AW supporters, who are likely sockpuppets, that the negative aspects of AW are all in the past. Strauss then linked to AW, where Mac had published a long list of usernames that she was ‘pretty sure’ had been used by a ‘super troll’.

    Strauss went even further by linking to a hate site that provides the real name of this ‘super troll.’ The hate site was created for the sole purpose of maligning the individual, by a cyber stalker who is obsessed with her. Now the inevitable has happened, and this author’s name and links to her website are being trotted out all over the Internet. I believe she has a good chance of winning a lawsuit against the perpetrators of this defamation and libel.

    Meanwhile, we’re doing our level best to delete all mention of this author from the comment sections of our forums. But while her name is still on the Strauss site, and on AW, it’s something of a losing battle. Keep up the good work you do here, Write Absolute Reviews is a valuable resource.

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    1. A link to an old forum naming someone called Victoria?

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    2. Anonymous Loather of Hateful PeopleSeptember 7, 2014 at 8:53 AM

      This will always be my favorite eloquent summation of the hack and slash on AW forums:

      "Absolute Write, in the hands of Lisa Spangenberg and her associates, is in effect a judge-jury-prosecutor platform, and one utilized on an almost daily basis to publicly humiliate, bash, defame and even scold people they have never met and do not know, as well as businesses they have never interacted with in any form whatsoever. All it takes is for one question to be asked, or one axe grinder to make an appearance, and the predators smell blood. A swarm of anonymous fairies and fops with ridiculous icons appear and begin fomenting themselves into leaps of logic, unfounded assumptions, and distortions of reality. All this would be amusing if it were not for the fact that their extensive dialogues and diatribes become public record and are ranked high in Google.

      And will the average reader always understand what kind of sociopaths he or she is witnessing. Not necessarily. They appear to speak from authority quite often, give the appearance of sincerity, and there is a background history of real scams revealed by Absolute Write. Users there like Victoria Strauss, who give the appearance of legitimacy, will rush in to show support. But as we all know, the best way to maintain the momentum at Absolute Write is to mix a few grains of truth into one continuous and hydra-headed avalanche of lie. In reality, the core site is a lie on more than one level. The owner and her sock puppets and assorted gang not only shred people all day for amusement and publicity (as someone pointed out, the mediocre writers get publicity for their poorly written books each time they post) and monetary gain (huge revenue from advertisements), the site itself purports to offer good advice to writers when in fact it does no such thing. Advice is amateurish and quite often just plain wrong.

      Regardless, the bullies at Absolute Write, herded there by Lisa Spangenberg (as we all now know) and goaded on by her at all times with great vigor, basically function as a Salem witch trial. Accusations are often baseless, but delivered and discussed with excessive zeal. Victims are displayed for purposes of torture, and anyone who disagrees is accused of being a witch also.

      One has to ask: what gives such cowardly arm-chair nerds the right to act as prosecutors, judge and jury? Nothing gives them the right. These are a bunch of losers looking for payback. I've seen it before. I've fired abnormals like this at my job because they were caught retaliating against other workers using phony online identities.

      I know the type, and I sincerely hope someone is able to bring legal action against Lisa Spangenberg and her hateful crew."

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  3. Strauss is now censoring comments critical of AW. Mine was deleted. It called Lisa out on her forensic analysis and observed that her non-fiction background was no qualification for working with poets and fiction types.

    They're stacking the thread now with their own socks and sycophants including the supermod doctor Christopher who maintains the wonderfulness of Lisa and Mac until it becomes a parody of itself.

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    1. We read it. Just mind boggling to the back teeth!

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    2. It's impossible to believe that this doctor accepts their propaganda. You can't possibly have been a mod for a long time on AW and not seen what we're talking about.

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    3. Yes, I saw your post. She is certainly censoring posts now that don't suit her taste.

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    4. Only a narcissist in a bubble like Lisa Spangenberg could think that a degree in English and experience with tech manual publishing gives her a platform for working with fiction writers and poets. I have seen her idiotic tosses of bad advice.

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  4. btw, I think this is a good balanced review of Absolute Write forums from Lena on Sitejabber:

    "I'm not a huge fan of the forums--though the "ask an agent" site is pretty handy!--but I love that they have a forum you can use to find beta reading partners. I met some really wonderful beta readers there who I trade critique with. They are some of the sweetest people I've met in the writing industry. Honest, informative, helpful--but STILL nice.... that's a hard combo to pull off. I recommended the site to a friend of mine, and he met a great critique partner there also, who I then met through him.

    Site, however, is overrun with ugly behaviors from those in charge.

    Otherwise stay clear of the forums. The moderators are on a power trip and to be honest I see nothing that would warrant any right to be. They delete threads and people every other second that don't agree with them while they bash writers and publishers and pretty much anyone they damn well please. The site is a great idea with some good people, but it's run by a bunch of jackasses."

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    1. Thank you for posting these. Preservation of the historical record of cyberbullying on Absolute Write is vital.

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  5. And another on Sitejabber from Demi:

    "It would be good except for the weird aggressiveness of the moderators. They are quick to get nasty, issuing high-handed, arrogant orders. Insulting, virtual screaming at, and cussing out (yes!) posters. This is often for very little reason, just because they disagree with one of the owner or moderator's opinions on the forum!

    Private messages sent to the owner and other disagreements with the owner may be publicly posted and everyone invited to trash them. They play favorites ridiculously, and also get way too overinvolved, shutting down threads etc. for nothing. All this mess, while constantly telling everyone else that the number one rule is "Respect Your Fellow Writer!"

    If not for the ickiness of an abusive environment, it would be an excellent site for writers."

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  6. The comments, and scores more on Sitejabber, and elsewhere, prove beyond any doubt that severe abuse and bullying has been a normal thing at Absolute Write for many years. Even on Sitejabber, Melodi Sherman appeared in disguise and began insulting critics and accusing them of agendas. She did not debate the accusations of cyberbullying. She attacked the messengers, just like Victoria Strauss is doing now.

    At the time, the critical comments were current comments. Now that time has passed, the same Lisa and Melodi dismiss these comments because they are more than six months old. They try to pretend that there is no arc or continuity to the culture.

    As we know, the same people are in charge.

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  7. Thank God for the good Doctor Christopher putting himself out there to tell the truth about my dear Lisa and Macallister! Victoria is right. You are just haters, haters and smear campaigners. You are a troll rightfully banned from using your 30 identities on Absolute Write. Lisa has proved who you are with forensic analysis. I trust her completely, troll! Smear troll! If I ever could I would gladly slap your troll face! We are all so happy that your kind is banned from our forums. There is no bullying on Absolute Write, just good moderators and a hard working owner holding two jobs who does her best to make sure writers get what is coming to them. Those weirdo presses, Victoria calls them, are weirdo presses run by life's failures. They are losers and so are you, troll! Stop stalking Melodi and Lisa! I hope you rot in prison!!!!

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  8. Yikes! The consequence of hate is delusion and rage bordering on violence.

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  9. My troll face was just hired for a new Harry Potter movie.

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  10. The rant by this fan of AW isn't that surprising. The person is evidently mentally ill. What frightens me as a rational person is that there are those who cannot understand why WAR and other sites are taking the time and effort to resist the kingdom of Absolute Write. What are they refusing to see? It is obvious that this is a combination protest and consciousness raising effort on the part of groups and people critical of the ongoing abuse, smears and cyberbullying. It is also a movement to curtail their behavior by any legal means necessary, as WAR says, and I agree with this.

    Any and all efforts to get AW to remove or edit libelous and defamatory comments and slurs in the past have been met with ridicule. But as long as Melodi and Lisa are making money from the conflict, luring (visitors click on money-making ads on AW) while pretending to be heroes saving innocent writers from scams, they snicker all the way to the bank. These two therefore have no cause to change a thing. The more groups and people they pin with their "Beware and Background Check" warning nail on Google, the easier their rent is paid. If you assume scores and scores of writers, organizations and presses smeared on Google by AW, then you can also assume a few hundred new visitors or more to the forums of Absolute Write each month for every single smear thread.

    On behalf of all those writers and presses, and all others whose reputations are tarnished each time someone searches our name or business on google, we say to you, Melodi Sherman and Lisa Spangenberg (along with your cabal of hostile horribles), we will persevere and triumph over you.

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  11. Melodi Sherman demonstrates she isn't worried about us or any other critics. One moment they're being stalked and nervous about leaving their house, and the next they're flippant. This was taken from a longer thread. On page 33, she is surrounded by her usual gaggle of sycophants who are putting down AW critics, and then she makes the above comment.

    All theater, 24/7.

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  12. Here is a screenshot of an AW regular warning Marla Miller that AW ranking on Google might well trash her reputation.

    Marla leaves AW in a huff.

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  13. Fortunately, it didn't trash her rep. She escaped alive. But to Victoria Strauss, I ask, what about the smearing of Hamilton Springs Press? What about the cyberbullying of Mary Duke? It's all right here on the WAR blog. Why isn't she refuting it? Because she can't.

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    1. I'm the guy who posted about being smeared on the billboard. It comes down to this. If you spend some time looking over Absolute Write, you'll find a pattern of public smears targeted at organizations and independent presses and self-publishing outfits that are not on Absolute Write's favored list. If you are not in their club, you are fair game. Sometimes a few fair minded members and supporters can lessen the kneejerk negative stuff, but not often enough.

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  14. Wow, I was wondering what happened to Sitejabber's page. I had a review there. A negative one, of course. Tore them to shreds.

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