Teresa Nielsen Hayden Fired From Tor Books

W.A.R Announcement: 

Teresa Nielsen Hayden, aka the repugnant and infamous cyberbully "Hapisofi" on Absolute Write, has been officially fired from the Tor staff. We received the following note from someone connected to the publisher (who must remain anonymous to prevent retaliation by Nielsen's husband Patrick who is still a big shot at Tor Books and who has supported his wife regardless of her vitriolic and unprovoked assaults on writers, presses, and organizations using her anonymous ID on Absolute Write):

Teresa Nielsen Hayden is now officially off the Tor staff page. She has been removed permanently. A source close to the staff reports that the sheer amount of negative information about her on the web was the reason. However, she continues to update her Wikipedia page listing herself as an "Executive Editor" at Tor books, and a reference footnote to the Tor website (that proves she is off the staff completely).

Another lie from this person. She lies about herself and about others as if she'll never be caught.

Check it out. Here is the Tor page: http://www.tor.com/page/about-us 

And here is a Google link to articles about her bullying behavior online: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=teresa+nielsen+hayden+bully
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Hopefully, Wikipedia editors will pick up on her termination and call her on it. Her Wikipedia talk page is already packed with argument and controversy--typical of anything involving her. We would nonetheless like to thank whoever it was at Tor Books who finally did whatever it took to remove Hayden from the staff page. Relevant links below concerning TNH and her antics:

Wikipedia Talk page | Wikipedia main page
Hapisofi Shreds the New Guy
Viable Paradise Bullies
From Boing Boing to Absolute Write

Finally, karma is catching up to her. Praise the Heavens.

To the left is a photo of Michael James "Orangemike" Lowry, the Wikipedia editor who is the primary defender of Teresa Nielsen Hayden's Wikipedia profile as it appears right now. If you review the comments in the thread below and on the Wikipedia Talk page regarding this subject, you will see him not only refusing to admit the existence of unreliable, self-published sources, but actually bullying another editor (Kennedy T) for attempting to apply to Teresa Nielsen Hayden's page the kind of realistic guidelines Wikipedia demands. The ironic thing is that in Michael "Orangemike" Lowry's bio, he notes that he takes a hard line on bad sourcing, but it appears that his rules don't apply to his friends. He terms this post, and thread below, as a "hate fest" but he cannot refute the actual evidence of her troll behavior and bullying of an indefinite number of victims on a variety of Internet forums.

35 comments:

  1. Let the word be spread, the wicked old witch at last is dead!

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  2. It strikes me as bizarre that they would even allow her as part of an editing team of a publishing house that published Orson Scott Card, yet then allows members on her board to talk about of both sides of her neck by whipping and shredding him in water cooler threads.

    Seems like a conflict of interest, yet I'm no longer expert. Later I might post the thread in question.

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  3. Actually, it's even worse it seems like:
    http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297035

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  4. Karma . . . yes, karma:

    The Babbling Narcoleptic, Teresa Nielsen Hayden, Apparently Fired From Tor Books . . . Time & Karma

    https://thewriteagenda.wordpress.com/2015/01/12/the-babbling-narcoleptic-teresa-nielsen-hayden-apparently-fired-from-tor-books-time-karma/

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  5. Get this and many others from Vox Populi regarding the "Toad of Tor":

    "TNH has always given off the aura of being a marginal player who fronts as an industry insider who knows it all, and manages to accrete sycophants and fellow-travelers around them - hardly unique to book publishing, sci-fi/fantasy or genre books. You may know the kind, they can talk the talk, they know enough of the buzzwords and jargon and goings-on to come off as an expert to people who don't know any better or with whom they are ideologically aligned. They pontificate and hold forth in their little online enclaves and get very shirty when people dare to challenge them; "authors" who've barely written anything, people who greatly embellish their position at this or that publisher, wanna-bes who never were, phonies, dilettantes, etc. The ranks of SF/F lit and fandoms' "SJWs" are filled with these creatures."

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    1. It's good they are glad she is possibly fired. But their homophobic comments are doing the whole cause a disfavor.

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  6. Agree re the homophobic comments. I don't really like these guys that much, but their commentary regarding the Toad of Tor is spot on. Teresa Nielsen Hayden has been smearing and dirty punching for years while pretending to be someone else. The universe isn't responsible for her illnesses and fall from grace, or for her morbid obesity or horrible temper. She has no right to take her shit out on everyone else, and in a cowardly fashion.

    And the truth be told, Patrick *has* supported her excesses every step of the way.

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  7. OK so who is OrangeMike, is why does he consider TOR books own website an unreliable source?

    Let's not forget TORs own website only lists her husband.

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    1. This orangemike holds us to account below. See for yourself. He resides.

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  8. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Teresa_Nielsen_Hayden

    As my source, I present the two recent comments from Orange Mike and Kennedy Trengrove. They seem to have the rather erroneous idea that TORs own website doesn't list Teresa Hayden.

    How they misdirect and assume we are referring to a website not affiliated with TOR seriously astounds me.

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    1. Teresa Nielsen Hayden is NOT listed as of recently. She was removed. There is an ongoing debate between Wikipedia editors over the validity of her information on Wikipedia and her two supporters are preventing the page from being updated. Paste in the url above and click on "Talk."

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    2. He's down below trying to tell everyone we're linking to another website. I'm as astounded as you are.

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  9. Wikipedia, in the case of TNH, has become WikiFraud. So much of her page is a lie.

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    1. Well I was wondering if its her friends that are doing the editing. That would almost explain ignoring basic facts, like Teresa not even showing up on the T.O.R. page.

      Now her husband does, but they aren't the same person.

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  10. http://pyropus.ca/personal/writings/wikipedia.html

    I hope this helps clear up a lot of wikipedia issues in general. I have a huge problem with a website editing an article about Mrs. Hayden, when said anonymous editors don't necessarily have any knowledge about the topic they are editing about.

    If it's true he who controls the past controls the future, that's a very scary future to live in indeed.

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  11. A simple fact check will reveal to any editors on WikiP, anon or otherwise, that her page is inaccurate.

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  12. Twitter supporters of TNH are claiming any negative fact as gossip, but the fact remains, she is not on the masthead any longer. She is not part of the staff.

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  13. I hate to spoil your little hatefest with actual facts, but you keep linking to a list of the staff at for.com, the website, which is not a list of people who work for or at Tor Books, the publisher.

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    1. Here it is again, same as above, and it goes to Tor. Pretty obvious: http://www.tor.com/page/about-us. It's the staff page where she once resided as a "tech consultant" only. It's not a matter of hate, just a matter of fact. If you want to talk hate, we suggest you hold a therapy session with Teresa. Hate begets hate, my friend, and she reaps what she sows. I would venture to say she is one of the most hated people in the online literary community, but no one can prove that or support it. Just a guess based on observation.

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    2. I know what orangemike is talking about. Tor.com does belong to Tor Books, but it is not the publishing house website. “Tor.com” is an on-line science fiction magazine edited by Tor Books. So that link lists the magazine staff, not the publishing house staff. This would be the official Tor Books website: http://us.macmillan.com/torforge

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    3. Fair enough, Carlos. A trip to that website shows no staff. The only Tor location in which Teresa Nielsen-Hayden appeared was on the Tor.Com location along with her husband, and she is now zeroed out. But the orange person was talking about something else. We could not translate.

      Thank you for the clarity and info. And btw, if we receive real info to the contrary regarding the T of T, we will announce it, but so far, nothing. Our guess is that if the discovery were untrue we would have heard one way or another from various sources.

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    4. You would think for such peer-to-peer group modification platform, they would have no problem editing the page if further evidence suggests a different narrative. Maybe one of my diaspora buddies is right, Wikipedia really is more of a social network for encyclopedia edit wars.

      As far as I'm concerned, the T.O.R. page where she is not listed is good enough for me. This above kind of screams of requesting an impossible level of evidence.

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    5. As an aside: Even if it's TOR magazine, that's still TOR publishing. The comment above suggests slight word spinning.

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  14. Afraid of TeresaApril 4, 2015 at 4:51 PM

    More Teresa loving, and lying: https://bradrtorgersen.wordpress.com/2015/03/30/former-tor-editor-still-longs-to-gatekeep-the-field/.

    Does she ever stop bashing and criticizing other people, ever?

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    1. Terribly Afraid of TeresaApril 4, 2015 at 4:56 PM

      And you forgot to link this above: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Teresa_Nielsen_Hayden

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    2. Once Humiliated by TeresaApril 23, 2015 at 3:19 PM

      Here are a few people with some nice things to say about our lovely TNH:

      http://tlknighton.com/?p=7049

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  15. In the article, I'm almost curious what Teresa's interest is in the Hugos anyway. Especially in light of recent controversies about them. Now I'm not suggesting she's one of either camp, but I am wondering what she has against "sad puppies".

    The fact she can so publicly state a political position in light of "disemvoweling" authors that have any specific political position smacks of a double standard to me.

    So who really can publicly state their political opinions? It seems heavily slanted to me in her favor to me. If I can't openly state my opinion on blogs, she shouldn't either.

    Also totally lost on the "sadpuppies" thing. Like, I don't care. Just let me write.

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  16. Look at her twitter feed. She wont' stop urinating her every thought for the public to consume. How could she be a bigger narcissist?

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  17. The ongoing hot debate over Teresa Nielsen Hayden's validity on Wikipedia. KT is correctly questioning her credentials, status and sources. OrangeMike, a Hayden supporter, is trying to shut him down. To all readers: believe what you wish, but if her credentials and sources for her claims were actually stable and reliable, this debate would not be taking place at all:

    "One of the BLP principles is the ability for a claim or fact to verified. The idea that a fact should remain until a reliable source says that the fact is not true is counter how evidence works. I removed the link and the reference after seeing that the source did not reference the subject at all. I am not sure what anonymous enemies have to do with this, but happenings in the larger world are irrelevant to NPOV and BLP guidelines so far as I can see. As far as the references being put back in, I don't see how the sources linked are reliable, NPOV, and notable. The reference to a writers workshop website is potentially even a self-contributed bio, which would violate reliable sources guidelines and self-publishing. Additionally, being a guest speaker at a yearly week long conference is not notable, and does not support being a teacher. The website lists her as a speaker and an instructor. The operation seems to be a money making enterprise to train authors to write saleable material. In that regard I am not sure any of it points to the subject being a "teacher", which normally connotes an activity of some substance and lasting impact to the students. I am neutral on the changes, and would like to see if anyone else has an opinion. I discount wholly the claim that "of course it is true" that she is an editor for that house - WP is not a place for debating what is or is not of course true, but rather, a place for publishing what is verifiable and encyclopedic about a subject."

    Kennedy Trengove (talk) 02:40, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

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    1. More comments from the Wikipedia Talk Page below.

      The talk page demonstrates quite clearly a tug of war between realists and those who are vested, for whatever reason, in helping to prevent the truth from being told and having her de-listed from Wikipedia due to unreliable and self-published sources. Others have been deleted from Wikipedia for less than this. Teresa was a line editor for Tor, repeat, line editor. She added commas and periods to Poul Anderson's work, and the others. She was not an acquiring or developmental editor. This is not sufficient notability for Wikipedia based on their clear guidelines

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    2. More on KT's take on the invalidity of Teresa Nielsen Hayden's credentials for being on Wikipedia:

      "So took a little time, have tried to come up with some reliable sources that support extraordinary claims required for BLP standards - namely, verifiability. It is my opinion that there is a self-publishing problem. My count shows that well over half of the supporting references for this subject are either self-published, or published at a group-blogged website. Most of the works that are claimed to be edited by the subject are not sourced, and many of the historical elements are only self-sourced. My read of WP:RS indicates this is okay, but frowned upon and should not be relied on heavily or for extra-ordinary claims. I am going to be hold and re-work some of the text to try to capture a more NPOV, and to add a few reliable sources where appropriate. I'd be happy if someone made some improvements, especially with works edited by or for the subject. There is a great way to establish authorship, but what is the standard for editing? It seems easiest when the subject was nominated for an editing award because then there are NPOV sources to reference that are reliable and establish notability.

      Kennedy Trengove

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  18. Fanlore won't update the info on her Tor status, however, they do point out her horrendous and vengeful personality more than once. Her threat quote:

    "Those of you I can't identify are not off the hook. I suggest that you never seek to take credit under your real name for anything you've done or written under your LJ pseudonym, because it's unlikely that I will ever forget you or what you've done."

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  19. From "An Unpleasant Portrait" of Teresa Nielsen Hayden
    http://tlknighton.com/?p=7049:

    "While I’ve compared the Hugos to high school, TNH is the most vile sort of high school vermin, the “mean girl”. Mean girls are the ones who lash out with so much vitriol that others outright fear her to such an extent, she becomes “popular” because everyone fears crossing her. They don’t necessarily like her, they’re just terrified of her not liking them because those she dislikes will whither before her fury.

    Too bad for her that she’s come up against that crowd that doesn’t really give a damn what she thinks of them. Hell, her position at Tor might have kept a few of our heads down in case we wanted them to publish us, but she doesn’t even have that now."

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